Trying to discuss foreign policy with a Kerry supporter is like learning how to speak Klingon. It's frustrating, time consuming and, in the end, serves no useful purpose. I don't know why I keep trying. I suppose it's my Missionary Baptist roots coming out, seeing a poor leftist in need of conversion. I'd have better luck trying to convert a meth head atheist with one Buddhist parent and one Hindu parent to Christianity.
Leftists don't even see the same problems we see. When I talk about a clash of civilizations you know I'm discussing the war against Islamofascism. The only clash of civilizations that leftists see is the "widening gap between rich and poor throughout the world". Islamofascism isn't a unified movement, they claim. The Palestinian terrorists and Chechnyan terrorists are internal problems of Israel and Russia respectively, and we need to limit our activities to going after specific Al Qaeda operatives. I'm serious. That is what your typical leftist thinks about the "War on Terror".
Saddam Hussein's Iraq had only peripheral ties to terrorists, they insist. The terror training base at Salman Pak had nothing to do with us they claim. Saddam was content to build his palaces and let his people starve. As at least ten Kerry supporters have told me, "He was contained." His payments to Hamas and Hezbollah were not our problems. His refusal to account for known stocks of chemical and biological weapons were no big deal. We should have allowed "inspections to work," whatever that means. Oh, and don't bother giving leftists and other Kerry supporters quotes from Kerry, Clinton et al from 1998 forward that were even more hawkish than anything Bush might have said. "Bush lied to get us into war" will be the only response you get.
France and Germany only oppose us because they find Bush offensive, the leftists claim. Never mind France's huge Muslim population. Ignore the evidence of bribery in the Oil for Food program. In fact, leftists and Kerry supporters claim that the Oil for Food scandal hasn't been proven yet. Leftists deny that France and Germany have self interests that would cause them to oppose us no matter who might be President. France and Germany should be given the benefit of a doubt, but the Bush administration is guilty until proven innocent.
Dissent is the most patriotic thing one can do, according to these people. I dare you to point out to them that the insurgents in Iraq are emboldened by protests against US presence in Iraq. Tell them that the insurgents are counting on doing something shocking enough to cause the protesters to turn public opinion against American involvement and cause a withdrawal. Go ahead tell a leftist that. They will simply say they love America and they are trying to save lives that are being taken because of OUR misguided leaders.
If you think you can change a leftist's mind on foreign policy, I have only one thing to say to you. toH tlhIngan Hol DajatlhlaH 'e' DaneH'a'?[tlh]
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That sums it up.
In the face of documented quotes from each and every one of them that say to go in there and get Saddam (all made prior to the invasion of course), they stand defiantly smug and make baby insults "Bush lied, Kids died". Alas, the revolting hippie mentality lives on. Maybe there is something to living next to power transformers after all.
Every interview with a liberal Ive seen, when asked about their own past hawkish comments, they claim that they were duped by this administration. I hate to break it to them, but if they are that easily duped by information totally and easily accesible to themselves, China, Russia, Iran, N Korea, and a host of others would have a field day with them. Oh wait, they did have fun yanking their chains -the Carter and Clinton administrations. Yep, ignore most situations, pay off the ones who are scarey, and retreat under fire -all while abusrdly proclaiming victory.
Kerry's sister is currently trying to undermine coalition support in Australia, while Kerry claims he can build better coalitions. Kerry himself insulted the Prime Minister of Iraq while he was here thanking the US for it's help, while again claiming he can communicate better with the international world. Total insanity.
the far left is already gearing up to battle the election outcome.they are questioning the validity of electronic voting machines(because they are made by diebold), and jimmy carter is questioning floridas improvments in voting methods, reviving the old discredited idea that many floridians were denied thevote. this is all a prelude to lawsuits if the lose the election, and damn what effect it would have on the country.
Don't forget that these same leftists who claim dissent is the most patriotic thing one can do, are the same ones who claim to support our troops while insisting that the war in Iraq is a "failure"; the very same ones who think Kerry is a hero because he served four months in Vietnam, in spite of the fact that he lied about his fellow service members and aided and abetted the enemy with propaganda to be used against American POWs.
Dear LoneLawyer--In all my wanderings through chat rooms yours is a voice in the wilderness. Thank you, thank you. You are organized, lucid, funny. I think I love you.
Dead-on target, Lonelawyer. Excellent commentary.
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